Eruvin 3 – עירובין ג

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Today’s Daf Yomi Question:

We learn that a Korah must be within twenty to be noticeable; however, Rebbi Yehuda allows it to be placed above as well.  How is it going to be noticed?

The Gemara says that the ‘Rabim’ will pay attention and maintain the Korah properly, as opposed to a ‘Yachid’ who might neglect it.  Why are the Rabim superior to an individual, since they too are merely a multitude of individuals?

4 thoughts on “Eruvin 3 – עירובין ג

  1. Rebbe Yehuda argues by the Succah as well, so it would seem that he argues on the whole premise of putting a limit on what is noticed.

    The fact is that you know about the S’chach and you know about the Koreh. Just like you are Mekayem Tzitzis even though it is under other garments — since you acted out the Mitzva and are aware of it — the same should apply to Succah. You know that it’s there, you put it there, and you see it whenever you decide to look at it. The same goes for the Koreh. It is there for a Heker that you should know that you didn’t just carry outside; you had to make a Tikkun in order to carry.

    The Chachamim hold that there is an added concept that in these instances. It is supposed to be noticed involuntarily, and that was part of the Takana of creating a Heker. The Chachamim hold that the Heker is constant and for everyone, while Rebbe Yehuda seems to hold that the Heker is like any other Mitzva, and the Heker is the Din that it must be there.

    • The problem with this is that if so their Machlokes by Succah is very different than their Machlokes in Eiruvin. Each application of Heker would have to be argued on separately, but the Gemara implies that they are arguing about the same thing.

      A better, and simpler, approach is that we realize that obviously it is possible to see it at any hight and many people will see it, especially if they know Halacha and will look up to see that it is there. The question is if you can count this level to be considered something that is Nikker.

  2. We find all over the Torah that a Rabim is very different than a Yachid. The Zchus of a Rabim helps each individual more than had he Davenned alone. It isn’t just the added Zechusim. The same is for learning with a Chavrusa. They walk away with much more than the sum of their viewpoints. And Lehavdil, in psychology crowd psychology is very different than that of an individual.

    More specifically, an individual can easily put something out of his mind. He takes care of Koreh and forgets about it. A group doesn’t forget. One person remembers, another keeps track, a third brings it up, someone else announces it, and finally there is a person who does something about it. Collective forgetfulness is much harder to come by.

  3. On daf Beis omud Beis the gemoro said that the doors of the Heichal are not considered doors since they are not there for security rather for privacy. One of our shiur asked, but the doors were open all day and only closed at night after the conclusion of the daily avodoh, so where was the privacy, on the contrary, it was in the open for all to see the Avodoh.
    Looking forward to your answer
    Kol Tuv
    Hillel R from Manchester UK

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